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Stupid Fat Hobbit!
So, after much thought and cost induced heart attacks, I have decided that instead of a crappy ol' laptop, I'm going to join the elite of the master race and not just get a PC, but build it as well with literally 0 seconds of experience in building anything remotely mechanical or electrical, yes I know I AM so brave, but when I have youtube videos and tutorials as my sword and hopefully you guys as my shield, I'm pretty sure I can do this.

Talked with monkey quite a bit about this, and because of the legend he is, he procured a list of the finest components for this beast at a reasonable price (I'm only 16 I don't have wads of cash to spend like you guys)

Here is said list with links and stuff:

cooling gel - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Arctic-Cooling-MX-...HDP1RJXAW3ZGZRS £3.95

motherboard - http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00K8KJ..._1_1&sr=8-1 £91.74

CPU - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Intel-Core-i7-4790...HDP1RJXAW3ZGZRS £256.90

RAM - http://www.amazon.co.uk/HyperX-Series-1866...HDP1RJXAW3ZGZRS £35.54

fans - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Corsair-Series-AF1...HDP1RJXAW3ZGZRS £17.36

case - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Corsair-CC-9011052...HDP1RJXAW3ZGZRS £47.38

Hard drive - http://www.amazon.co.uk/WD-Desktop-SATA-Dr...=2tb+hard+drive £60.48

SSD - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-2-5-Inch-S...HDP1RJXAW3ZGZRS £73.13

graphics card - http://www.amazon.co.uk/MSI-GTX-980-Graphi...eywords=gtx+980 £405.77

monitor - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Asus-VE228TR-Wides...ords=hd+monitor £86.99

The total cost of it with a monitor as well (ikr mad innit?) is just under £1080

You may be thinking, "hey you stupid hobbit, listen 'ere m9, stop bragging and being so awesome" but it cannot be helped and also, I really do need your help, since, as I said before, I have no experience in doing this, I have never even owned a PC of my own, let alone built one.

Monkey told me to ask you guys if you have any objections or recommendations to the components listed above, such as a cheaper option or whatever you can think of; any help is greatly appreciated! I will probably be ordering this stuff after the 20th of August, as this is riding on my GCSE's, so any input before then would be great.

Thanks in advance,

<<<<<<333333 Hobbit
Porsuk
You don't need anything else , this is really really good pc. ( monitor is your taste but larger screen price is higher ) so it is okay for this system but i would recommend larger one.

Vincent Dank Gogh
That's pretty much the best you can get for that price tag, but unless I am missing something/being stupid then you will also need a power supply; I couldn't recommend one myself but I would suggest getting a power supply which is a little above the minimum, you don't want your parts under performing or anything like that just because you've saved £20 on the PSU... In terms of building it, from my experience the assembly of the different components isn't too hard, basically everything goes into the motherboard, seating the CPU is probably the most difficult part and it would be wise to watch a few vids on that. When assembling it remember about static electricity, one spark could fuck your rig easily.

In terms of the rest of the rig it seems good. I don't know what other games you are planning to play, but Nvidia 980 GPU is more than enough for many games. You should consider that the Nvidia 970 can be bought for almost half the price of the 980, while retaining much of the power (chivalry in particular will. But if you don't mind spending the extra money (which I don't think you will) then go for the 980 for sure, new games in particular are getting harder and harder to run at good frame rates.

If you ever want to upgrade any parts then just remember that if you change the motherboard (but I think changing the CPU is ok) then you will need to rebuy the operating system. That reminds me, a copy of windows will set you back a fair deal, or you can opt for Linux which will run chivalry but not some games.

A few more things to consider (as if there wasn't enough considering): How are you planning to connect to your router, Ethernet or WiFi? If WiFi, you need a wifi adapter which you can get for about £5. Have you got a cable to connect your computer to your monitor? Have you considered getting any zip ties for cable management? If you did consider all of those things I mentioned then good smile.gif

If you're building a dank PC I'd expect no less than a few dank memes hand painted onto the side of your case, along with proper photo evidence proving your rig to be the dankest of all rigs.

Also I'm not an expert, I'd imagine a few people will correct me, but I hope it was at least a little bit helpful.
Stupid Fat Hobbit!
Once I saw mount and blade 2 I new this would be what I needed, I was considering it with Fallout 4 and all that, but that was the push I needed lol.

I completely forgot about all that stuff, especially the power supply and the OS, damn, I'll have to look up some unless one of you computer geniuses can find some with your expertise. Zip ties I can get anywhere and I think I will be using an Ethernet cable as my router is going to be right next to my pc, will I need anything for that or will the ethernet slot on the motherboard be sufficient? I saw some static wristband this guy was wearing to prevent sparks, apparently it is cheap, is it worth buying? I believe the monitor comes with a cable to connect to the pc, it says it comes with a VGA and DVI cable, but I have a spare HDMI cable lying around somewhere if that is better.

EDIT: Also do you need to have a disk tray to install the OS? I'm used to windows and would feel happiest with it, but can it be installed only through a disk?
The Malefic Trout
You might also want to invest in a surge protector for your new PC. Doesn't cost much but (supposedly, as opinions differ) will protect your PC in case of voltage spikes. Just make sure to grab a good one since cheaper ones probably don't do anything at all. I recommend Belkin.

The ethernet slot on the motherboard is all you need.

As for OS: you can put the ISO file on a memory stick, no problems there. Most modern computers let you boot from USB. You might want to invest in a DVD player though, they're not expensive, rarely useful these days, but well you never know when you may need it.

On a side note, SSD got sooo much cheaper over the course of a couple of years. Whoa. And there I am still sitting on my 128 GB one. biggrin.gif

Good point on the Wi-Fi adapter, Vicent, this is something many people (including me) forget.
Stupid Fat Hobbit!
Yeah, found windows 10 on a usb for £99, I don't mind spending that much on the OS because I know windows is the best for me. Also remembered I need to buy a bloody Keyboard, got a bluetooth mouse but completely forgot the keyboard after having a laptop for so long. So is this surge protector just an extension cord or something that you plug the pc into and it prevents short circuiting and stuff? Something like this http://www.amazon.co.uk/Belkin-BSV603-Surg...surge+protector
The Malefic Trout
Yup, that would be it smile.gif Works just the way you described. Note this has to be plugged directly into a wall socket, shouldn't be plugged into another extension cord.
HackedPenguin
Don't lose your mind when you get 30 FPS on chiv, happened to me even though I got a 970 :/

Also your PC better be danker than mine, I took my side panel off so could fit the PSU cables in there, or fit and fit depending on how you think of that word (most of the cables just stick out of the case tongue.gif)
Stupid Fat Hobbit!
As long as it can play things like chiv and rocket league and other big titles on decent graphics without overheating and with good fps, then I will be happy (it probably will with the 980). I'm not too worried about the performance really, desktops are so much better at cooling and stuff compared to laptops.

On a side note, I chose this power supply http://www.amazon.co.uk/EVGA-600W-Bronze-P...pc+power+supply I don't want to spend too much so I chose a moderately cheap one, but I was wondering if the wattage matters at all, because I want to make sure all the components work well together. I'm sure pretty much all components nowadays work together, but I just wanted to check because apparently sometimes the motherboard doesn't support certain types of components, monkey probably chose all the right things but I'm just double checking. Thanks for all your help so far, guys!
HackedPenguin
I have a 550W 80+ PSU, works well with my rig and left some space for me to OC my GPU. The 600W should do nicely for you if it's high quality.
DARwin
QUOTE (HackedPenguin @ Aug 8 2015, 12:34 PM) *
Don't lose your mind when you get 30 FPS on chiv, happened to me even though I got a 970 :/

Also your PC better be danker than mine, I took my side panel off so could fit the PSU cables in there, or fit and fit depending on how you think of that word (most of the cables just stick out of the case tongue.gif)


Don't worry Penguin! My PC tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif Notice my power-switch (the green cable biggrin.gif )... I have boxes full of all kinds of switches yet I am too lazy to hook one up laugh.png

HackedPenguin
That cable management :3 ...

Yet Another Fool
Yeah I had a 550W before (i7 first gen, 6GB, GTX465) and now 650W power supply (i5 fourth gen, 16GB, GTX760) no need to go higher.

Darwin, I used to love you, but I cannot forgive such cruelty against your hardware teeth.png


DARwin
Fool, it is just my lab station( also serves as gaming pc) that I sometimes use as a quick regulated DC source. biggrin.gif Knowing myself it will be accidentally melted or burned by my rework-station or dissolve in acid anyhow... (I don't know how yet, but I will manage to find a way) tongue.gif No need for me to getting it all fancy schmancy... happy.gif
GuyIncognito
1. Cooling gel is REALLY not needed as you will get some with the cpu fan and probably with the stock cpu cooler as well.

2. Honestly just go to TPB and download windows 7 and install it. You will then be able to download and install Windows 10 legally. Paying 99£ for windows when microsoft has pretty much said its ok for private individuals to pirate their OS is dumb, especially when you are young and dont have alot of money.

3. Zip-ties you always get both with the motherboard and with the PSU.

4. Suggestions for cpu and gpu are fine, but I always go with AMD and ATI for cpu and gpu. It can be argued which one is better, what cannot be argued is that AMD/ATI is significantly cheaper. 257£!? Get the fuck out! You would save at least 100£ on the CPU alone. I have a radeon 290X and it's a superb card for the money.

5. Goddammit choose a case that has chassi fans built into it, dont waste your money on a fancy ass case and glowy fans(that you have to pay extra for). Save the cosmetics for when you are older and have money to spare.

6. I have that mobo(AMD version). It is very very good and oozes quality. It also has a very neat function built in where you can convert part of your RAM into an ultra-fast virtual harddrive.

7. You need a CPU-cooler. May God help you if you use the stock cooler that comes with the CPU. I use Noctua, very good, very silent and very good at cooling. Also, when you have it up and running a gfx-heavy game, keep an eye on temperature, or simply place your hand on the side of the case. If you are having trouble keeping your hand on it, it's too hot! Im starting to have big problems with heat-generation with air-cooling on my last two rigs. I think these advanced components are starting to reach the limit of what air-cooling can do. I simply have the side panel off now.

8. Surge protector.. ugh.. Yea sure, if you want to waste your money on it.. go for it.

9. 21" monitor? What is this, 1998? You need a bigger monitor friend, Im telling you right now. Cut down on some of the needlessly fancy stuff I mention and you can easily afford a 27".

10. The hardrive is cool, but you dont need a samsung for the ssd. Go with a Kingston or something, just as good and cheaper. Im happy with the 2x 4GB ram suggestion, cause you sure as shit dont need more right now.

11. Have fun and welcome to the awesome world of building your own PC. Two things:

1) Building PC's today is so much easier than it used to, dont be too intimidated. It looks alot more complicated than it is and very few cables have more than one place
where they can be plugged in, and it is also written on the MOBO itself what the different connectors are. I never even look at the installation guide anymore, there's no need(although as a newbie I certainly recommend it for you). Even the harddrives, that used to be the bane of my existence, now are simple plug & play. Also use an anti-static wristband, or do what I do and just touch some metallic surface that you know is grounded, like a kitchen faucet.

2) While it's not very complicated, it IS figdgety as all hell. It's cramped, small, sharp edges and small screws and the CPU-fan is a bitch to fasten. And if it doesnt work right away when you turn it on, I have built my own PC's for 20 years and I cant remember a single time where I didnt forget something, to plug in some cable, to fasten something properly, to switch on the damn power switch on the back of the PSU. Whatever. Point is, if something goes wrong, relax and remember that it's normal and we can help you fix it.

Remember, if you cant figure it out for yourself, there are several experienced builder here to help you. I have pretty much seen and experienced any problem you will encounter and Im sure others here can say the same. Buy Hitman Absolution or The Witcher 2 on steam dirt cheap, crank settings to ultra, and have your mind fucking blown by how much better PC graphics are.
Stupid Fat Hobbit!
listen 'ere m9. About the CPU cooler, I forgot to post it and lost it in the links monkey sent me, but he didn't forget, don't worry about that http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cooler-Master-RR-2...HDP1RJXAW3ZGZRS

For the monitor, I decided to forget even buying one, I'll just use my bro's 32" TV that he had at uni, he doesn't even use it, so if I just hook it up to the PC it should be fine, is a HDMI cable enough for that?

Monkey chose the case, but I'm not too fussed about the look of the case, as long as it can fit all the components and has fans built in (I was wondering about the case monkey sent and if it could actually cool because I didn't see any fans in the pic)

I think I have a surge protector somewhere, but I only included it in my optional purchases, like the DVD player.

Already had a look at a 30 minute tutorial, explained it really well and I am actually pretty handy and have dabbled in the arts of pro lego building and warhammer constructing and painting, so I think I can handle this, it definitely does look fun, and it will pay off for sure.

First games I'm going to play are definitely rocket league (since I had to put it at the lowest settings and actually decrease the resolution to get playable fps) and Skyrim. I remember when this laptop was somehow able to run Skyrim on ultra, but now that I think about it, I did have 50 less mods back then, so...

I'm used to the overheating, my left hand has actually left a mark on my laptop because it gets so hot, I'll send a pic one day, looks bloody hilarious. I will get the cooling gel though, it's only a couple of quid, no big problem.

I'll stick with the samsung EVO and the intel processor this time, since I'm not super experienced in this stuff, but I'm learning slowly. That point about the OS was extremely helpful, not sure about pirating it and how I would go about that, but I forgot Microsoft are doing free upgrades to Windows 10 for a while, would be a waste of money to buy something I can get for much cheaper.

I think I will send an updated list of all the stuff I need (including peripherals like a keyboard) before I buy it, just so you guys can review it once more.

P.S. If you could link me a good case, that would be awesome, I have no idea about the dimensions and all that so I kind of need your help with it. It doesn't need to have lights, just in-built fans and stuff will do, but cheeky lights will be a bonus biggrin.gif
MonkeyFiend
The list that I pulled together was only a quick 5 minute job, of hardware that would work together and form a PC. I did mention that you could get a lot of it cheaper by shopping around.
I mentioned you could switch at the £250 for a £350 gtx980, currently the strix is on pre-order for £350 last time I checked: http://www.scan.co.uk/products/4gb-asus-gt...CFQEIwwodvGQBKg

(you can also get free delivery from scan, if you make a forum account and make 20 meaningful posts)

(be wary of the moderators there though wink.gif)

I had included a PSU in the original build (I think a 600w corsair). Once you come up with a final parts list I can get a list of the wattage requirements of the components and verify the psu has plenty of leeway.

@Vincent.. the operating systems that are tied directly to a motherboard are OEM ones and usually manufacturer specific e.g. Dell OEM to a dell motherboard. I've never had problems reinstalling a general oem copy of windows on different hardware (you only come unstuck if you have a dell oem then change to Asus hardware etc.,). Aside from that there's always the option to buy retail windows. Finally the other option of a not entirely genuine copy of windows.

@hobbit: the static wristbands are a waste of money. I've handled components for many years without issue. One sensible precaution is before handling chips ground yourself out on something in the house e.g. most central heating copper pipes are earthed in the UK, so touching one of these before tinkering with the cpu/boards should earth you.

Personally, in the UK I'd not bother with a surge protector. I'll assume you have a half decent consumer unit instead of a fuse box with rcd breakers. I've not heard of a surge taking out a PC in many many years in the UK

Also I'm sure I included a CPU fan and heatsink in my previous message? :S

Regarding the thermal compound I included it as it's a couple of quid, the arctic stuff works better than the generic stuff and often they don't include enough. I've been in a situation where I ordered a heatsink and cooler and it didn't come with any compound, which put the building of the pc on hold for a while.

Regarding windows 7 > 10 a la piratebay. I don't think you can upgrade a pirate copy of 7 to 10 since it relies on serial numbers.
The Malefic Trout
QUOTE (MonkeyFiend @ Aug 9 2015, 11:37 AM) *
Regarding windows 7 > 10 a la piratebay. I don't think you can upgrade a pirate copy of 7 to 10 since it relies on serial numbers.


This. Probably would be easier to download a pirated copy of Windows 10, but at this point I'm not sure if it's even avalaible.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-n...-pirates-2015-5

Point is you don't really need to upgrade to Windows 10 anytime soon, so stick to that 7.

As for surge protectors... Well I'll give it to you all, I kind of forgot you guys in UK probably have proper electrical wiring everywhere. In this case it'd indeed be pointless to get one. smile.gif

Edit: CPU-cooler is indeed ESSENTIAL! Can't believe I missed that. :<
Stupid Fat Hobbit!
Yeah monkey, you did include the cpu fan and heatsink, but I must have forgot to find it in the links that you sent to me, I posted it just above. Concerning the OS, I may as well just buy a cheap and legitimate windows 7 or 8 usb or whatever and just upgrade it to windows 10 if that is possible, I don't really want to be getting involved in all this dodgy stuff. Didn't think I needed the surge protector, I have never had a single short circuit in my house, the electrics are awesome in UK. I think I will just stick to the GPU I have already, can't be bothered to make "meaningful posts" or an "account". I don't think I need to change anything other than the case to be honest, I would rather just get a case with fans and all that rather than having to install my own fans for another £20.
dpbmt
my pirate copy of win 7 updated to win 10 just fine ,

Personally I would ditch the 980 (seems a waste on a 60hz screen IMO) , get a 390/970 and put the savings toward building an X99/socket 2011 system (i.e 5820k )

oh and them WD green drives are painfully slow , you want a blue or black if you go WD
MonkeyFiend
QUOTE (dpbmt @ Aug 9 2015, 12:07 PM) *
my pirate copy of win 7 updated to win 10 just fine ,

Personally I would ditch the 980 (seems a waste on a 60hz screen IMO) , get a 390/970 and put the savings toward building an X99/socket 2011 system (i.e 5820k )

oh and them WD green drives are painfully slow , you want a blue or black if you go WD


I'm surprised by that with windows 10 ohmy.gif

The 5820k's are nice 22nm lithography, but essentially looking at something like 6 cores, 12 threads at 3.6ghz? At lot of games these days are poor at running across many cores. Taking chivalry for example, throwing a massive multisocket beast at it but it does better on an OCd 4790k as it tends to prefer core clock speed processing instead of multiple processing streams
TurboMidget
QUOTE (MonkeyFiend @ Aug 9 2015, 11:37 AM) *
@hobbit: the static wristbands are a waste of money. I've handled components for many years without issue. One sensible precaution is before handling chips ground yourself out on something in the house e.g. most central heating copper pipes are earthed in the UK, so touching one of these before tinkering with the cpu/boards should earth you.

This depends on the circumstances. If you for example have a tiled floor and like to run around the house naked, sure, you'll do fine without a wristband. If you however like to wear your warm, fluffy socks on your warm, fluffy carpet, you might want to consider one. Most manufacturers take precautions to prevent static electricity from messing with your hardware, but just as with a fire you'd be wishing you had done something to help you out once your house burns down. Besides, they cost about as much as the nicer artic cooler stuff tongue.gif


QUOTE (dpbmt @ Aug 9 2015, 01:07 PM) *
Personally I would ditch the 980 (seems a waste on a 60hz screen IMO) , get a 390/970 and put the savings toward building an X99/socket 2011 system (i.e 5820k )

He might have a nice 1080p/60Hz screen now but will he have one in two years as well? Besides, the GPU will almost always prove to be the bottleneck in the future, so why pick a better CPU instead of a GPU?


Also, what does dankest mean nowadays? I always thought it had something to do with pot.
Stupid Fat Hobbit!
The wristband is like £1 and I have 3 cats which dump hair everywhere and a lot of carpets, better safe than sorry, and it is my first time so I want to be careful.

I'm not budging on the CPU and GPU, I want the 980 and I can always replace it if I need to.

Originally it came from smoking some good ass dope kush, but it works in this case because this pc is going to make me high, it is my new addiction.

Also, does the case need to be Corsair for the PSU to fit, or are pretty much all pc components interchangeable nowadays?
TurboMidget
Interchangable. Most PSU slots nowadays are just a cut-out back part and room for your PSU. No more brackets etc. Screws go on the back again. If I'm not mistaken, most PSU's will have roughly the same dimensions too.

And I'll schedule some pc-free rehab for you. How does the 21st of August sound to you?
Stupid Fat Hobbit!
Day after my gcse results, I'll either be crying or celebrating, so we will see, but that is probably when I will order all the components. What would this rehab entail or am I just missing a joke or something? lol
Yet Another Fool
QUOTE (dpbmt @ Aug 9 2015, 01:07 PM) *
oh and them WD green drives are painfully slow , you want a blue or black if you go WD


Didn't see that.

Once upon a time, I hated mechanical hard disks. And then I met a true beast, the Barracuda.
TurboMidget
Just a joke, my sweet hobbit love.png
The Malefic Trout
I would like to take this minute to appreciate SSD.

Going off-topic but before I got my first SSD I read a lot about them and thought to myself 'can they really be that great?' and fuck they are.

Thank you for reading.

See you on the next Storytime with Trout.
Stupid Fat Hobbit!
So is that Barracuda hard drive worth getting instead of the one in my list?

Also I didn't even know what an SSD was recently, I did computing at school but we learned next to nothing in it, I thought I was pretty good with computer knowledge but I guess not. At least I can write 90 words per minute on a keyboard, not a total pleb.
Yet Another Fool
Hobbit, I think the new Barracuda disks are (one of) the best fully mechanical hard disks performance-wise.
I have two 3TB and one 2TB disks for almost three years and they are still rocking. I sometimes transfer movies from my SSD (download folder on main disk (I know I can move it but I won't)) to a 2TB barracuda, and it starts writing at 300MB/s and doesnt go slower than 140MB/s so its pretty speedy for a hard disk.
dpbmt
QUOTE (MonkeyFiend @ Aug 9 2015, 01:21 PM) *
I'm surprised by that with windows 10 ohmy.gif

The 5820k's are nice 22nm lithography, but essentially looking at something like 6 cores, 12 threads at 3.6ghz? At lot of games these days are poor at running across many cores. Taking chivalry for example, throwing a massive multisocket beast at it but it does better on an OCd 4790k as it tends to prefer core clock speed processing instead of multiple processing streams


Was quite surprised my self too , its fully activated and receiving updates too , wonder how long it will last tho ... wink.gif

Ye i guess so , x99 just looks more appealing to me this time round tho , just the silly prices on ram putting me off upgrading angry.gif

Even so 4970k is a solid chip , it will last a lonnng time.


QUOTE (TurboMidget @ Aug 9 2015, 02:03 PM) *
He might have a nice 1080p/60Hz screen now but will he have one in two years as well? Besides, the GPU will almost always prove to be the bottleneck in the future, so why pick a better CPU instead of a GPU?



depends what you want from your pc i guess , x99 has a few advantages but at a (slightly) higher cost !
Stupid Fat Hobbit!
Could someone recommend a good case for me please. I have a few in mind but I'm not sure what brands are best or if it is the right size and all that. Thanks.
TurboMidget
I have a massive, completely unnecessary case, the Cooler Master 690 III. That thing is absolutely gorgeous. Massive, but gorgeous. I think the dimensions float somewhere between a mid-tower and full sized tower. Decent build quality too so I wouldn't be surprised if I'm still using it in 10 years. I paid about 80 euros for it though so it'll be in the 70 pound range in the UK.

As for brands, they don't really tend to matter, but well known brands such as Cooler Master, Corsair and BitFenix will have a name to uphold so you can expect those cases to be of better quality. I've heard good things about Lian Li cases too but those cost as much as your average CPU.
The Malefic Trout
http://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/...udget_cases_50/ <- might be worth reading through all of that

How about something like this: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Corsair-Carbide-Se...r/dp/B009GXZ8MM

A lot of people (players) seem to enjoy it. Comes with 2 fans with space for 3 more.
Yet Another Fool
QUOTE (The Malefic Trout @ Aug 10 2015, 08:29 PM) *
Comes with 2 fans with space for 3 more.


I have a lot of fans too. Not enough girls but can't be that picky.
Bucket
QUOTE (Yet Another Fool @ Aug 10 2015, 10:48 PM) *
I have a lot of fans too. Not enough girls but can't be that picky.



I have a sign on my door that says ''no gurls alloud1!!!!1111'' anyway.
Stupid Fat Hobbit!
Ah damn, that is a good choice but I think I need more than just 2 USB slots, need 2 for my keyboard and mouse and probably 1 for other things, like installing my OS from a USB stick. Maybe I could get away with taking out the keyboard and replacing it with the USB stick for that one occasion, I'm not sure if the keyboard is vitally necessary in the process of setting it up. I'll have a look on the reddit discussion though, I will probably find the perfect one there.

EDIT: I'm seeing a lot of cases with very few fans built into them, how hard is it to add fans and how would I do it? Is it basically just screwing them in to random open spaces around the case? Also can 2 fans keep the components cool or is it almost necessary to add extra fans? And about the USB ports, should I just get one of those multi port usb hubs that allow you to plug in more? If I stick with the case that monkey originally suggested, would I need to add extra fans? Sorry about all the questions, I literally have no experience with desktops, but hey, teach a man to fish and he can build his own pc I guess.
The Malefic Trout
Hobbit, your motherboard comes with 12 USB ports, 6 x 3.0 and 6 x 2.0. It says so right in its Amazon description. Your case wouldn't even need to have ports. smile.gif

There are designated places for the fans to be placed in. You know, where all the little holes in the case are. So the air can flow. biggrin.gif Not a fan expert, but it's definitely not hard to get more of them or install them, don't worry there.

Long story short: wouldn't worry about overheating unless you're overclocking or it's ridiculously hot inside. Side fans help, two is minimum since one sucks cold air in and the other pumps it out. But still it's mainly your components' personal fans job to keep their bosses nice and cool.
Stupid Fat Hobbit!
lol I really don't get this, I guess I have to wait until I see it with my own eyes. I know the motherboard has the 12 ports, but how do you plug the USB sticks into the ports unless they are built into the case? Do you just plug them into the actual motherboard or something? I thought that just meant it had the potential to support up to 12 USB ports if the case could allow that many ports, but I know nothing about this stuff. Damn I am such a noob sad.gif
Vincent Dank Gogh
The motherboard will slot into the case in such a way that the USB ports will be accessible from the back of the case. Usually there are a few audio or USB ports on the front of the case, and those will plug into the motherboard via a cable provided by the case.

QUOTE (Bucket @ Aug 10 2015, 10:06 PM) *
I have a sign on my door that says ''no gurls alloud1!!!!1111'' anyway.


He's carried that over from the duel server, you know.
Yet Another Fool
Hobbit, assembling a surprise from a KinderSurprise is more difficult than building a computer.

Look at the three pictures here I took at work for you.

Picture 1 : the USB ports on the case are connected to the motherboard with the black cable I'm holding
http://www.sneakymonkeys.com/forums/upload...-1439250727.jpg

Picture 2 : look at the black cables labelled "USBx"
http://www.sneakymonkeys.com/forums/upload...-1439250754.jpg

Picture 3 : one more free slot for additional USB ports
http://www.sneakymonkeys.com/forums/upload...-1439250770.jpg


PS: this PC is a mess, don't be scared because of the poor cable management.
TurboMidget
No worries hobbit, you'll do fine wink.gif

Just make sure you keep the manuals close, especially the motherboard one, and a laptop with internet ready to go.
The Malefic Trout
I've been wondering, guys what do you guys think about grounding yourself the way many people seem to do it which is installing PSU first, plugging that into the wall, turning PSU OFF and then either:

1. touch a metal part of a case every once in a while

2. use an antistatic wrist strap and connect it to the grill on the PSU

Asking this question because while a ton of people recommend doing it this way, some say it's extremely dangerous.

Well I guess it all depends on whether your wiring is done properly or not...
TurboMidget
I think most of those little things the internet suggests (especially on reddit) are people overreacting to very unlikely events that might happen. Often they're relying on old information from a time where it really was necessary or someone took electrotechnology 101 and now considers himself an expert.

As long as you wear an antistatic strap and connect it to a decent surface like the computer case or copper heat tubing or whatever, you'll be fine. Even without, Monkey's stuff seems to have survived for over a decade.

I would advise against connecting an antistatic strap to something on your PSU though. If you attach it to the grill of your PSU I'm going to assume a part of it actually enters the PSU and well, that casing it there for a reason. Next to that, I don't really see the point in doing that. There's tons of surfaces you can better ground yourself on than your PSU casing and no, connecting to your PSU casing doesn't mean you're connected to ground through the cable in the wall. That would imply there's a possibility of current running through your PSU casing and that's a big no no when designing a PSU.
MonkeyFiend
QUOTE (TurboMidget @ Aug 11 2015, 12:01 PM) *
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I think there's a requirement to ensure all cases are earthed, so that if live did reach the case due to a malfunction people couldn't zap themselves by touching the case. All psu's should touch the case in someway (either directly or via screws) and therefore the metal of the case should be earthed providing the psu is plugged into a 3 pin (earth) cable (preferably without the power on! tongue.gif) as all PSU enclosures are also earthed in the same way for the same reasons and providing you're touching a metal part of the case that isn't painted.
TurboMidget
Hmm, didn't know that. I just figured that you wouldn't want a capacitor to lose it's charge into your hand after you've just unplugged the cable from the wall bomb.gif
The Malefic Trout
QUOTE (MonkeyFiend @ Aug 11 2015, 01:49 PM) *
I think there's a requirement to ensure all cases are earthed, so that if live did reach the case due to a malfunction people couldn't zap themselves by touching the case. All psu's should touch the case in someway (either directly or via screws) and therefore the metal of the case should be earthed providing the psu is plugged into a 3 pin (earth) cable (preferably without the power on! tongue.gif) as all PSU enclosures are also earthed in the same way for the same reasons and providing you're touching a metal part of the case that isn't painted.


So generally PSU installed, plugged in, turned off, strap connected to either not painted part of the case or PSU itself is the way to go? I think the last part doesn't even make any difference since in case of PSU being already installed case and PSU kind of become one thing (you know, when it comes to grounding).
TurboMidget
Well, there's still the thing where you shouldn't stick anything conductive into the block that has 230 Volts coming in. It's a way to go but not the way to go. And yes, "way to go" has a double meaning here. But seriously, anything metal will do, from copper heat tubing to your metal case to your cold, iron heart. Don't get set on using your PSU wink.gif
The Malefic Trout
Should have thought about my heart earlier, you're a genius Turbo!!!
HackedPenguin
When I got a new PSU and GPU and started to install them, I just kept touching the case every once in a while, and since nothing blew up I assume that's a safe way of doing it tongue.gif
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