Chivalry Admin Abuse, Yet another fool abusing admin privileges Options

[Majorshake]

Hi so i was just kicked from the SM chivalry server, saw on your guys rules that this is were i report admin abuse. I have been a longtime player in chivalry, ive played since the mod days, love the game and I like to play on you'r guys server from time to time, i have almost always had good experiences with the players as well as the SM admins. In fact i think you guys for the most part have very good admins. So out of respect for the people who play on the sever as well as the integrity of SM feel like i should post this.

Anyways i was just playing on the server with fool here and several people said he was using an aimbot, and after playing in the game against him for a good 20 minutes i thought that they were right. So i asked why he is hacking. Now you guys might think, of course he doesn't hack, and maybe he doesn't, but his response was to say anyone calling him hacker was a dumb noob (i'm 44 and everyone else was also a higher level) and shortly after saying that, he muted my in game chat, as i'm sure he also did to the other people questioning his playing abilities. Now this seems excessive as he could have chose to ignore the chat, he could have laughed it off, could have calmly, maturely and politely asked people to stop talking to him, instead he mutes peoples chat, no reason given.

After realizing i was muted i decided to rejoin the game. As soon as i joined i said "LOL why did you ban me from chat?" I was instantly kicked. Again this is overstepping his admin privileges and going against SM's own rules as it states that i need to be given a reason before a ban. So i decided to join 1 more time to try and calmly figure out why fool felt the need to ban me for calling him a hacker.
Now again even if it was not hacking, I was not breaking the rules, I was not being abusive or rude. After getting back on the server i asked him why he banned me and i said he is overstepping his bounds as an admin. His response was along the lines of "I dont have anything to say to you, feel free to report this". Now other people on the server felt the same way as me, that this was an overstep of admin privileges, Now this time he threatened that if i didn't stop "Spamming" the chat i would be kicked, he used some colorful language as well. Now I believe spamming would be constantly typing text in chat over and over again, not trying to have a conversation, But this time he seems to realize he needed to follow SM rules and give me some kind of reason. And then bam, 1 hour ban.

Now i understand it is my words against his and i'm sure Fool can make up whatever he wants and you guys wont take the word of some player over someone who you know and is on you'r competitive team. But as a gamer, admin abuse can be very annoying, especially in a game like chivalry were as you guys know players get kicked for everything under the sun. You guys have a good server but allowing admins to overstep their responsibilities and break their own rules can lead to a bad server. Again this is a shot in the dark but if you guys are not already aware, Fool seems to take his admin privileges as a means to ban people he doesn't like which is in stark contrast to you'r good admins who i have seen defuse many arguments, ban hackers, and be kind and respectful. Fool is none of those things and if he is sporting the SM tag then I think he should be required live up to the integrity that is displayed by you'r more mature admins. Everything i said here is what happened, i have no reason to lie, whether you guys chose to do anything about is obviously up to you, but I don't think what he did is allowed by you'r own rules so i think it is best to report this.

Cheers

[Yet Another Fool]

several people said he was using an aimbot

Including you, you were 2.

and after playing in the game against him for a good 20 minutes i thought that they were right.

Rank 44 and not able to see that I'm not cheating ? Can't you open your eyes and look at the arrows trajectory and damage ? Can't see the misses ?

So i asked why he is hacking. Now you guys might think, of course he doesn't hack, and maybe he doesn't, but his response was to say anyone calling him hacker was a dumb noob

So you are questioning my integrity publicly and expect a nice reply ? Seriously ? Who do you think you are ?

and shortly after saying that, he muted my in game chat, as i'm sure he also did to the other people questioning his playing abilities.

You are the only one I muted. And I told you at least once to stop accusing me. Didn't stop -> got muted. Seems fair to me.

Now this seems excessive as he could have chose to ignore the chat, he could have laughed it off, could have calmly, maturely and politely asked people to stop talking to him, instead he mutes peoples chat, no reason given.

I don't have to justify myself. You are playing on our server and if you are making trouble (in this case, spamming stupid accusations towards an admin in the chat), I'll be sure to sort this out. And I warned you, logs will proove it (and the last part where you say you didn't lie).

Again this is overstepping his admin privileges and going against SM's own rules as it states that i need to be given a reason before a ban.

Show me where

[Yet Another Fool]

So i decided to join 1 more time to try and calmly figure out why fool felt the need to ban me for calling him a hacker. Now again even if it was not hacking, I was not breaking the rules

Sadly, you don't make the rules. I'm done with kids like you thinking that they posses the absolute knowledge/thruth/ability to judge so yep, I said multiple times that I won't discuss this over the ingame chat. You carried on and didn't accept the small punishement : being muted. You choose tho bypass the admin decision. That wasn't smart, despite of what you think it does justify being kicked, which of course happened.

I was not being abusive or rude.

You were rude and abusive to me, is that hard to understand ? Admins have no feelings ? I'm playing on the server hosted by my clan and a retard comes in to tell me I'm a hacker ? Do you REALLY think it's nice ? Thats something you have to say to people inviting you to their party ?

Now this time he threatened that if i didn't stop "Spamming" the chat i would be kicked, he used some colorful language as well.

That was not threat, that was warning. Retard ? Noob ? Very colorful.

And then bam, 1 hour ban.

That's pretty gentle giving the multiple warnings, 1 mute and 1 kick. Very clever to have carried over despite having heavier and heavier sanctions.

Now i understand it is my words against his and i'm sure Fool can make up whatever he wants and you guys wont take the word of some player over someone who you know and is on you'r competitive team.

Oh nope, I already told my version to Monkeyfiend by MP and I'm sure he will check the logs. If needed he will post them here.

But as a gamer, admin abuse can be very annoying

As an admin, I can tell you whining players for no reason can be annoying.

Again this is a shot in the dark but if you guys are not already aware, Fool seems to take his admin privileges as a means to ban people he doesn't like

That's pretty false. I'm one of the admin that do the smallest bans durations and give the most warnings (exept for kicking high pings because they never execute anyway, but that's not the topic), you could have easily got a perma for something similar. The thing is that it would have been just a mute if you acted like an adult and got over this or "gathered evidence" and sent them to Monkeyfiend.

Fool is none of those things and if he is sporting the SM tag then I think he should be required live up to the integrity that is displayed by you'r more mature admins.

I'm actually above the average age in this clan, have a work with responsibilities, a car, an apartment. Not the basic kid you'd see calling admins hackers on your servers.

Everything i said here is what happened, i have no reason to lie, whether you guys chose to do anything about is obviously up to you, but I don't think what he did is allowed by you'r own rules so i think it is best to report this.

Thanks mate. Gotta check the logs now.

[TurboMidget]

I'm curious to see the logs as well, mostly to see the extent of the spamming. If players come back and start complaining instead of learning from warnings and kicks then yeah, I would've banned them too.

As for the auto-aim hacking: you should realize that most admins play this game quite a bit and can get very good at it. That combined with the fact they're not risking their admin spot for a few extra kills makes it unlikely fool was actually hacking his way to the top of the scoreboard.

[Bucket]

How is this admin abuse? It seem like you're just butthurt.

Why didnt you take any evidence if he abused his powers? It clearly says ''if you suspect an admin abusing his powers, please sent proof to .....''

[Sneeky]

I'm fairly familiar with this 'Majorshake' person as I've seen him butthurt and accusing people of hacking before. Every person I've seen him accusing of hacking were just decent players, I didn't see anything wrong with them.

[Marsche]

I'm fairly familiar with this 'Majorshake' person as I've seen him butthurt and accusing people of hacking before. Every person I've seen him accusing of hacking were just decent players, I didn't see anything wrong with them.

Never even seen this player before...

[Majorshake]

Ok well no need for the obnoxious response, but thanks for at least proving some of my point. Now I don't really care if you were hacking or not, that's not really my point. My point is that I, along with several others on the server, found you to be playing suspiciously and instead of dealing with it maturely you decided to censor people. Its like that quote from game of thrones. "The only reason you would cut out a man tongue is because you are scared of what they have to say" or something like that. Either way I don't care weather you hack or not, but i do care, as does SM, if you are abusing admin powers to censor people you don't like.

Also i would point out i was not the one who first accused you of hacks, several other players accused you and continued to, i just said i agreed with them and its shitty that you hack, that's when you decided to mute me. there was no please stop or any remotely polite response.

And here is were you decide lying is your best course of action. I was not rude or abusive to you, neither was my post here. I find it ironic and hilarious that you are both rude and abusive in you'r response, calling someone a retard for reporting you'r blatant abuse of admin privileges is probably not the smartest way to prove that you do not abuse your privileges.

Also I have never seen an Admin on SM in Chivalry or any game for that matter ever ban someone for asking questions and trying to have a respectful debate or conversation, for you to think that is acceptable is ridiculous.



Bucket this is admin abuse for several reason

1. Censoring chat for the sole reason that people were questioning his playing abilities.
2. Kicking people from a game without reason or explanation
3. Being disrespectful harassing, rude, admins always represent their community and or group (in this case SM) and from what i have seen this is not what SM stands for.
3. Banning a player for one hour for a claim of spamming chat, when there was no chat spam and that player was asking legitimate questions.
4. And yeah, I stated in my post that this irks me, as it would irk you if i were to ban you from a server for asking questions.

Also that would be awesome if you guys can check the logs, as i did not think to screen cap our lovely conversation until right before i was banned again, you can even see fool harassing me right before the ban, as well as other people saying how he was crossing the line. The logs support everything i am saying, again no reason to lie, but after dealing with Fool in game and considering this incredibly obnoxious and pretentious response, I don't think i need to say anything further. If i play on the server again while fool is on i will make sure to screen cap his responses.

And yes Sneeky I do call out hackers if i ever see anything suspect, i don't see how that makes me butthurt as i am not a new player by any means. However In this case it was other players calling him out for aim boting as an archer, and after playing further it did seem rather suspect that Fool was hitting every single one of his shots. I understand there are amazingly good players but i tend to be skeptical. We all know there is a hacking problem in chivalry, especially in competitive, obviously less so on public, but i feel that as someone who has a lot of playtime in this game as a whole, and as someone who has researched what hacks there are and how they work, i would be doing a disservice not calling out what i believe to be hacks.


Also since you asked, here it is in black and white, Sneaky Monkeys Rules Handbook page 12,

"If you are acting as admin, please try to keep personal abuse to a minimum
and keep matters as fair and mature as possible when performing admin
duties."

"Our reputation is important to us and it doesn’t look good if a player post a
screenshot showing an admin giving them abuse.
Misuse of admin powers may result in revocation of specific or all admin
abilities."

"Admins should make sure that if they are kicking or banning it is done in
accordance of the server rules – admins should not kick players for things that
are not covered in the server rules. Again this is covered under misuse of
admin powers"

i believe those are the rules you were asking for.

According to SM rules the only way banning me would be justified would be if i was harassing you, spamming chat, acting disrespectful, tking, all the stuff which i did not do.

Cheers

[Yet Another Fool]

Just waiting for the logs.

[TurboMidget]

3. Banning a player for one hour for a claim of spamming chat, when there was no chat spam and that player was asking legitimate questions.

A note on this: just because you're asking questions, doesn't mean you aren't spamming the chatbox. The chatbox is mostly meant for brief conversation and asking (a lot) of questions continuesly can quickly turn into spamming the chat. Calling someone out on something isn't forbidden, but continuesly doing it is annoying more than anything else.

[The Malefic Trou...]

Also i would point out i was not the one who first accused you of hacks, several other players accused you and continued to, i just said i agreed with them and its shitty that you hack, that's when you decided to mute me. there was no please stop or any remotely polite response.

Mate.

You accused a very good archer player in front of hacking in front of the whole server. Not even accused, you just said so yourself, you stated he was hacking. No proof. Who's being rude here? This thing happens all the time on the server, sorry to say this but mediocre low rank players accuse high rank players of hacking all the time. This is rude, you were being rude. You were NOT being polite in the first place and it baffles me why you were expecting a polite response. The hyprocrisy you're presenting here is out of this world.

We as admins are still regular players. Ask yourself how would you feel in Fool's place.

And how was Fool even supposed to defend himself and proof he was not hacking?



Next time on the street hit someone in a face and expect him to be polite about it, because that's how the whole situation looks to me.

And before you start whining we're blind and protecting our abusive teammate - we get equally angry when any other non-SM player gets accused of hacking. It's just a dick move.

Remember: things you say have consequences. You can't state someone's hacking because they (I am sorry again) obviously a better player than you and expect them to be chill about it.


Edit: this is a simple truth about life: if you want people to be nice to you, be nice to them. You were not and you have no right to expect a nice response. We are not being paid for customer service, we are first and foremost players.

[DARwin]

Just out of pure interest, how does an aimbot actually help you in this game? Unlike a regular shooter game, you can dodge projectiles due to their relatively low velocity. As long as you are not very close to your target or your target keeps advancing without accelerating the probability of crossing your aimbot's calculated trajectory would be quite low. Or is there a hack out there that makes the arrows lock on a target after they were fired. Sorry for my ignorance, I am not someone who has researched what hacks there are and how they work...

[Steelshanks]

Siishhhhh, Can people stop with using the word butt hurt, It got old like seven years ago, And it provokes my envy

While its true that there ARE payhacks and aimbots out there for Chiv, You need to be a real pleb to think it helps you at all in this game or achieves anything at all.

Majorshake, While i can approve of your attitude to report anything you would find suspicious in the hopes of improving the game for everybody, Throwing out accusations of cheating is not the way to go about it, You seem pretty nice but its not cool and its not nice at all for fool to suffer such gossips about him, You basically have stated that Fool is using third party software to change his game experience to give him an advantage over others, Do you realize how ridiculous it makes you look?

If you really ever want to catch someone with their pants down, collect the evidence or keep it to yourself is the best way.

While ill agree and DO ^^ have hilarious evidence that SOME admins DO turn a blind eye to naughty and mischievous behavior by their non-SM friends from time to time. Never maliciously mind you, about 99% of the SM server-player-base have found NO problems with Fool, be it abuse, cheating, or trolling. Are you suggesting that you maybe found something the other 200+ non SM regular players didn't Majorshake?

I wonder what the chat log would read!

[Yet Another Fool]

Please, can someone with config access provide the logs ?

I'd like to shut this dirty mouth asap. Not harrassing, didnt lie, didnt got warnings ? What a joke.

When you will be faced to the logs, I can image your reaction : either you will still play dumb and the troll would be confirmed, or you will say that the logs were modified. In both case, I hope you'll end up perma'ed from the game server AND website.

[Majorshake]

Yes you are right malefic low level players as we'll as younger players do wrongly accuse players of hacks for many silly reasons. But again I've been playing this game for 7 years, I am not a new player and neither were the other players that accused fool.

And saying someone is shitty for hacking is very justified if the person is hacking, which I and several other people believed he was. I have been accused of hacking several times in this game but I have never gotten offended or angry about it, I find it hilarious. When someone responds to being called a hacker by making statements like "only a noob would call me a hacker" and then proceeds to silence, harass, and ban anyone who questions this, it doesn't really inspire confidence to the contrary.

But again I am more hung up on the admin abuse, as whatever fool decides to do outside of that responsibity is his business, but as an SM admin I think he should be held to SM rules.

And yeah steel I would love to see the logs too, if you guys could see the logs you would get were I am coming from I think

And fool the logs support my side of the story, don't know why you keep saying I will be exposed as that has all the evidence I am talking about. And your continuing obnoxious responses are exactly why I am posting here, so again you are simply proving my point.

As Gabn says "never lie on the internet" i have no reason to lie I don't have a vendetta against you, but I felt the need to make the higher ups at SM, who care about their integrity, aware of this.

[Yet Another Fool]

So I went to check the Chivalry server rules and I can't find anything you stated. Why ? Because you are so helpless that you took 7 years old rules from another game (Battlefield).
What I found was perfect, I almost removed nothing from the original post : http://www.sneakymonkeys.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=1747

Our admins are primarily there to play games, same as the rest of the people on the server who are guests. Banter is fine, but those who are constantly berating or belittling other players, admins or the server in general are not.

Slinging around minor insults excessively or more extreme insults may see you being warned/kicked/banned at the discretion of online admins. Spamming the chat or TS will get you muted or kicked. Just use common sense and don't be an arse.

If you have complaints please approach these in a constructive manner (preferably a post on this website so all admins can see them) - typical childish insults on the server will result in warnings/kicks/bans. IF you have issues with an admin abusing their powers, please make a post or PM me with time/dates and evidence.

And my favourite :

We can't just take the word of a stranger on the internet. False accusations of admin power abuse ( "banned for no reason/killing admins/being too good" etc.,) will result in a permanent ban.

@regarding trolls: admins do not have to explain themselves to the server in general. Think of the servers like a house party that we're inviting you to. You turn up and start belittling, patronizing and condescending the hosts, their house or other guests and unsurprisingly you'd be asked to leave, or just be thrown out. Same applies to our servers.

[Yet Another Fool]

[Majorshake]

Well i typed in sneaky monkey rules and that's what i found, i was under the impression that the divisions were homogeneous. I also like how you selectively did not include

"If you have complaints please approach these in a constructive manner (preferably a post on this website so all admins can see them) - typical childish insults on the server will result in warnings/kicks/bans. IF you have issues with an admin abusing their powers, please make a post or PM me with time/dates and evidence. We can't just take the word of a stranger on the internet"

By this rule you should be banned from the server not only from what you said in the chat logs, but also for you're obnoxious rude and harassing responses on this forum. There is plenty of evidence on this very forum post that you should not have admin privileges, as you seem to think it gives you carte blanche to act like a dick to people not in SM.

I have been nothing but respectful in these forum post. By the logic that the SM chivalry server is a party, then as a host calling people names and harassing them, after they go to your party to have a fun time, just because they said you were cheating at beer pong, would make people never want to go to another party at your house, hence why i'm here. If admins as disrespectful as you are allowed to ban and kick who you deem you don't like, the server and server population suffers.

[Yet Another Fool]

I also like how you selectively did not include

"If you have complaints please approach these in a constructive manner (preferably a post on this website so all admins can see them) - typical childish insults on the server will result in warnings/kicks/bans. IF you have issues with an admin abusing their powers, please make a post or PM me with time/dates and evidence. We can't just take the word of a stranger on the internet"

# Judges a player only based on his score, too good = cheater
# Lies
# Is too retard to understand when 4 admins tell him he's the dick in this story

And we can append the list
# Blind

[Majorshake]

I and the others players were not judging you based on your score. 25-2-10 could be done by any skilled player. We were judging you based on the fact you were hitting every single shot consistently, which even for the best archers in the game, is very very difficult, espically considering, at times, you were at a range of 2-300 meters. But again the hacking isn't the issue, it is your response.

Again i have no reason to lie, you have plenty, as i am sure you do not wish to lose this privilege you have been granted.

Again i don't see why you insist on being a dick to me, i don't think you see how this supports exactly what i am talking about.

4 of you'r friends who you have known for presumably a long time take you'r word over some random person they have never met, color me surprised. I would expect the same from my friends, does not mean i am wrong in this situation though.

attacking my character does not change the fact that you should not be an admin if you feel you are justified to act like this towards the SM community, it only supports it.









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Here is the one screen cap i have, this is right before i was kicked for apparently spamming, if i had taken a screen cap 5 seconds earlier you would see fool harassing me, as well as more players calling him out for abuse. I only had time to type maybe 7-8 responses after rejoining before being kicked. All my responses were either questions or saying he should not be kicking me. The logs will show this.

Now this is from memory but this would be yesterday, mid day between like 4-7 something like that. I was originally muted on the mason castle assault map, rejoined on battlegrounds i think, this is were i was instantly kicked for questioning my muting. Then rejoined on the next map, Stoneshill, again kicked in less than 5 minutes after asking about and disputing the previous kick/mute. Hope this helps in finding the right logs.

disclaimer:I don't get how to share images here, hope this link works