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[Muffintime]

Dear SM Clan,


I've just been banned by Guy Incognito for explaining the derogatory nature of the word 'n*gger' to someone who felt 'priviliged' to use this very word as a tool for self-description.

Someone kept saying the word n*gger and then said it was alright from him to use it because he himself was a 'nigga'.
I said that n*gger is a derogatory term used to address his ancestors, and that he should not carry it with pride.

This apparently was enough of a reason for Guy Incognito to ban me.

Please unban me and find some more mature admins.

Thanks in advance.


Yours sincerely,

Ye Olde Muffin

[The Malefic Trou...]

Dear Muffintime,

there's no wrongdoing on Guy's part here.

Let me remind you that as per rules, and I will link to them below, players are not allowed to use racist language, and that includes quoting racial slurs for any reason. As a regular you should have known that as countless players were banned in the past for the very same thing.

Good luck on your appeal.

Read more here: http://www.sneakymonkeys.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=1787

[Muffintime]

Dear Muffintime,

there's no wrongdoing on Guy's part here.

Let me remind you that as per rules, and I will link to them below, players are not allowed to use racist language, and that includes quoting racial slurs for any reason. As a regular you should have known that as countless players were banned in the past for the very same thing.

Good luck on your appeal.

Read more here: http://www.sneakymonkeys.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=1787

Dear Trout,


While I'm aware bans have taken place in the past as a result of usage of racial slurs, in this example I was merely trying to teach a young kid a lesson in self-respect. I hope that you can see it the same way I did.
In fact, the words I said were far too well put to be my own. I quoted a fictional character ('Coach Carter') played by Samuel L. Jackson in the movie 'Coach Carter'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkJ9Nyr-CEg

I wasn't trying to be racist, I was merely trying to educate a young kid.


Yours Sincerely,

Muffin

[MonkeyFiend]

The reason the 'no racist language for any reason' rules exist is to prevent people purposely trying to troll. Usually the easiest trolling is someone looking to 'debate' a contentious topic then get people drawn into it. Once such topics open up trying get to the bottom of who started it or the perceived intent of various comments becomes damned near impossible. Therefore the rules are very clear cut and not open to subjective interpretation.

Now a person trolling may or not have been the case, but the rules are clear cut for this reason: any racist language results in ban. Guy upheld these rules and was acting perfectly properly.

Because you disagree with the interpretation or the enforcement is, quite frankly, meaningless to me.

Regarding your appeal, it was doing well up until this point:

Please unban me and find some more mature admins.

Ultimately the appeal is for Guy to decide on, which Is potentially good for you since following this last parting barb if it were down to me, I'd leave you perma banned, since this statement shows no obvious contrition or understanding of why the ban was made, therefore rendering any appeal as meaningless lipservice.

[AsDeR]

Guy was right, and you are wrong.
It's pretty clear at the start of every map. "No racist language, NO MATTER THE REASON"
So your reason is that you did it for educate, and quoted a film character. Cool, cool. Still took advance of the opportunity to use racist language.

Then you came here asking for mature admins, when you couldn't hold your fingers at the opportunity to feel better by being more mature than a random guy on the internet. Makes sense.

Next time (if there is a next time, Guy's call) report, mute, and/or ignore the flammer/troll. That's what mature people do.

Good luck.

Edit: Ninja'ed by MF

[Muffintime]

Even if I was tricked into using a profane word, I'm certain that that sentence positively influenced not only the troll, but everyone else on the server who read the chat.
Even if it made only one person think, I'm certain the message was of worth.

I stand by my words, however bad you wish to perceive them.
However, I do apologize for using the word 'n*gger' in a sentence meant to educate.
It was meant to get the attention of the troll, but it was indeed in direct violation of the rules, and more importantly, common decency.

That being said, if Guy wishes to permaban me because I called him immature in my first post, then so be it.

[GuyIncognito]

That being said, if Guy wishes to permaban me because I called him immature in my first post, then so be it.

No I do not wish to permaban you, as Im not an immature person. Im not going to waste my time explaining to you why you were banned, because Monkey already did it perfectly. It does however bother me to straight away get called immature, when you as a very long time regular on the server most certainly know by now that we do not tolerate that word by ANYONE, for ANY reason. You must have seen it happen many times. I banned 3 people in that little conversation you decided to be a part of. I see one of the other having made a much different post than you. Im just surprised that you of all people not only used the word in chat, but then afterwards comes and makes such a hostile appeal, like you didnt do anything wrong and WE made the bad call.

Seeing as you are such a long time regular with good behaviour, and Im pretty confident you wont do it again, I will not permaban you, but your attitude sucks.

Ban stands for one week.