=FaRT= Clan New Server Options

[Magik5]

I recommend you find yourself a girlfriend.

Anyone who goes out of their way to set up a hatesite has:

a ) Too much time on their hands
b ) A chip on their shoulder
c ) A pizza face

If you have a bad experience with a clan, just move on and find a new server to play on. Simple.

[Lawpf2001]

[Magik6]

I agree with 5, there are so many servers out there I don't understand why you don't do the adult thing, drop it and move on.

[maniac]

If you google haw8 you will find he is banned in at least 3-4 other places for hacking. Your claim that he is "too good" paints you in a suspicious light. And why did you pick out only those two names? I've been reading their forum for over 2 years and there have always been people banned from time to time without what you would call "an explanation". HOWEVER - this does not support you in any way. Why? Because they have a policy of not publicly calling out hackers and they don't allow anyone else to do so either. Naturally, this policy does of course lead to people being banned for hacking and then having appeals denied without explanation, but there are very good and obvious reasons for them(or indeed, any server) to not publicly discuss cheaters nor allow anyone else to either. Obviously you are not familiar with server administration or you might know these reasons. In any event, you pointing this out is nothing new and doesn't add to your own credibility.

There are plenty of non-fart players on their servers that consistently own fart members and do not get banned. In fact, there are at least 3 non-fart member regular players there that are solidly the top skilled players on the server. Maybe even the top 5 are non fart but I can only think of those 3 at the moment. Point is, owning fart guys day in and day out is not a bannable offense regardless of what you might like to think.

I personally wonder if your real reason for being upset is because you can't find enough servers you can blackhawk-rape on. Infantry only servers are obviously out since there won't be a chopper for you, and maps with jets or AA vehicles don't meet your needs either since you can't hover fix through a salvo of 4 AA missles. Mashtuur might be the only map that meets your needs; and not even all them work for you since some may be too high ping, some may be infantry only, some may be a different mod, etc. Bad Company 2 holds no hope for you since there won't be hover fixing in it either.

[=R6= Raile]

Not that I really have enough information here to say whether this is what FART did or not, but I've always believed that sometimes its ok to ban someone for what I'd call, making your server less fun for everyone. Sometimes this might play out as a person or persons who always come on and their play is either so good, or they all gang up on one team that they make the server so one-sided that everyone leaves.
I see this as a perfectly legit reason to get rid of some guys. You can't run a good server if your server keeps emptying out. Of course this can come across as a grey area, as it's easy to be viewed as kicking people so they aren't better then you, but sometimes it needs to be done.


as a former admin of a few games, including BF2, it seems obvious to me that anyone posting on here against FART, don't have the first clue about being an admin.

On top of my above statement, you could add that FART actually PAY for their server. I always find it hilarious that guys will come on forums and act like they can tell a clan how to admin their own server. Fine, go on the forum, point out your issue, bitch a little maybe if they seem unresonable, but then move on.

[MonkeyFiend]

i get the kicking if someone's actions are ruining the game for everyone, but with bf2 it was fairly striaghtforward to include conditions that cover specifics that make the game not fun in the server rules, which for the most part helps make things less personal and subjective.

Otherwise I'd end up kicking magik5 every round for making my game less fun

I've been banned from many a server for so-called aimbots. Generally the only way to take that is as a compliment and move on.

Well I thank quasi_evil for bringing this topic to everyone's attention. You've successfully made FaRt look good, while making yourself look childish and bitter

[fido77]

it appears that he has done the same on several other sites with the same responses. if i am his daddy i will tell his mom to take his comp away before he makes the whole family look gay(and that i was drunk that night but i'm sure it was fun ).

[=FaRT= skutaboy]

Hey Monkey, feels kinda strange being here again and hope you and Foxx are well as with the rest of your motley crew. ;-)

Firstly, let me apologise to you and =SM= for this petty tirade that you obviously don't need nor care about which has been dumped on your forum. I am not going to get too involved with this matter because as far as we (the =FaRT= clan) are concerned, its done and dusted. We don't need to justify our actions to every man in the street after every ban etc.

Basically, we have rules like any other decent server out there. We don't ban without warnings and these guys were warned many times for breaking rules (not for being 'too good'). We captured lots of video of these guys continually spawn raping without trying to capture flags as a squad. We also witnessed mines, C4, ammo packs, Medic packs, kitchen sinks, old bicycles etc etc etc being tossed out of the helo in places of no importance. Yes, we are aware that we cannot blame the pilot for these actions carried out by his squad but where do you draw the line? It is in actual fact, stat-padding!

Because of these guys actions, we now have scrolling text ingame stating, *** The Blackhawk is not a stat-padding machine - Cap flags ***

Its a real shame these guys are behaving like picked on school kids but they brought it upon themselves. Its our server that WE pay for and its our right to uphold the rules the best we can. We have held a top 20 position in Gametrackers World Rankings for a good time now, surely we are doing something right?


So once again, Sorry to Monkey and the great =SM= clan for this being brought here.
I wish you guys would get into BF2 again for some good afternoon battles. Maybe when BF3 is released we shall see you again?

Thanks all,

skuta.

[MonkeyFiend]

hey skuta

Yeah, the guy came across as an asshat anyway. On the upside if he carries on advertising his site, it'll make you guys look good and him look like an arse

Although BF2 is out the window for me, a few people are getting bad company 2 and a server will be here on release day, so could maybe sort out a game or two there

[=FaRT= skutaboy]

Although BF2 is out the window for me, a few people are getting bad company 2 and a server will be here on release day, so could maybe sort out a game or two there

Let me know the IP address etc when you get up and running and I will forward that to our forum.
Great to chat to you guys again and thanks for your continued support and help. I personally get fed up with these dudes thinking they know it all.
BTW, that haw8 guy earned something like 16,000 points in less than 20 days. Possible, but backs up our 'other' evidence. These guys need to become admins and see what its really like out there!

skuta. (still hurting from that last scrim).

[quasi_evil]

Again, everyone misses the simple point because they don't do the research and/or they just attack me personally.

I spent a significant amount of time to understand the rules, a 30+ thread post was made then we were banned anyway and Fart removed our 30+ thread post and deleted my forum account. Do you support censorship? Do you think this treatment is fair/good? I am not going to move on. I have as much time and as much money as I need. It is the principle. My post on the Fart forum asking for a rule clarification was civil, and as such I was thanked by a Fart admin for posting in a civil manner. I would direct you to the post, but it was censored/deleted. I have a copy of it and will post it soon on fartclan.info.

The video that we posted on youtube was taken before the Fart forum post asking for a rule clarification and the change in our game play. We have no idea why we were actually banned because no one has ever told us, nor could we do a ban appeal post because my forum account was censored/deleted. Why would that happen after being complimented for my past civil posts. Maybe skutaboy wants to shed some light on why I was banned and why my forum account was censored, but probably not. When I was actually banned I was on foot, in front of the Mosque after the chopper was shot down. You know that chopper that everyone claims is invincible with 3 engineers in the back, yep it was actually shot down. Go up on Unemanarmy's youtube page, you will see several videos of him doing the same stuff and Fart members stat padding by dropping endless mines out of the BH, EVEN ON TOP OF BUILDINGS. So if we were banned for stat padding, they need examine themselves internally. If the videos are gone/censored, let me know I downloaded them as I suspect once people see them Fart will censor them. Bottom line, this is hypocritical.

Maniac, what proof do you have of Haw8 being a hacker? Screen shot? Video? Nope, just some other places that banned him, so what. People get accused all the time of this because of poor players. There was someone who posted earlier in this thread that they were banned for admins thinking he was using an aimbot.

If you want to talk childish what is the personal attacks? Pizza face? Really, how old are you 13? I don't think I have heard anyone even use those words since 6 grade. Then someone goes out and finds pictures, for what, I have no dispute with you. I have done nothing to you, what is your motivation? Talk about too much time on your hands. Why not present an actual argument?

Fido, I am 37 years old so I don't think my mommy or daddy is going to save Fart by taking away my computer.

I am not surprised Skutaboy does not want to have an actual discussion, as Fart is in the wrong. People in the wrong who are incapable of change do not want to have a discussion. The fact is that I was never personally warned or kicked, just straight to ban even after posting a 30+ thread forum post. We changed our game play, a Fart admin that was commander complimented our changes. Like I said, go look at Unemanarmy's youtube page, it has much video footage of the stuff you are claiming we did (which we did not do after the post, in fact JP told people not to spawn as resupply or if someone did to stop dropping mines constantly). I believe in one post Unemanarmy made then deleted, he actually said that he did not think we should have been banned, but there was nothing he could do about it.

If I look like an bitter asshat after getting an unearned ban, getting censored and fighting back against bad admins then so be it. The public has a right to know. The adult thing to do is expose them, not walk away. Walking away is the coward approach. If everyone took that tact, then how would any injustices be fixed, people would be too busy stepping to fight for righteous resolutions to problems.

I will look forward to carrying on this conversation in an adult manner, please refrain from the personal attacks as they add nothing to the discussion and in fact only diminish to poster of the attack...

[MonkeyFiend]

I've always keen on arguing about anything vigorous debate, but first a caveat emptor: if Fart want this topic closed, that is their prerogative. It's every clans choice whether or not to make info pertaining to bans and appeals publicly accessible, to make final rulings with/without disclosing this on their site. It's certainly not appropriate for them to have to go to third party sites (especially clan sites) to defend their actions. A clan has no obligation to share its operations or decisions publicly, therefore it cannot be considered a form of censure. So let us know.

I must first ask what is your ultimate point behind your site? I doubt you expect to be unbanned, more likely you're seeking retribution of sorts (by having a detrimental effect on their server popularity)

The out of game actions of single person (even one with a website) do not affect a clan and game server, regardless if they are positive or negative. If I read your site and it was an unknown clan targeted I would play on their server and form my own opinions, unless there was unbiased evidence. Likewise if a random person recommended a server, I'd again judge it for myself. Perhaps if a friend whose opinion I trusted warned me of a clan, I'd be more cautious, but the warnings and criticism of an unknown internet user carry as much merit as those emails telling me someone in Nigeria wants to send me a stack of cash The exception is if a clan has a very good/very bad reputation from many independent firsthand sources it would carry weight, but surely if this clan is bad as you say, you'd be better to advise people to go there and see for themselves rather than trying to force your biased opinions on everyone?

I'll choose to ignore all the comments regarding the details of your ban as the sources are not objective or impartial. I'll sum it up as "you joined a server, played in a certain way, got banned by the admins". They say it was a form of stat padding hence breaking the rules, whereas you disagree. The final judgement comes down on the side of those admins though, since they are the ones that have the final say on how their rules should be interpreted as they pay rather substantial sums for the server that you're visiting for free.

I've already covered your mention of censorship initially. Regarding your rather revolutionary toned penultimate paragraph, It's not like you've described an injustice forced upon yourself, such as a stranger on the street punching you in the head - an act where walking away doesn't solve the initial problem and potentially leads to the same happening to others, so warning people or indeed intervention is appropriate.

The reason why walking away is not cowardly in regards to a clan/server is because joining is a voluntary action, you chose to join and it didn't work out, walking away is taking a positive action. If the server really was bad and everyone walked away the server would be empty, it would die and the clan would likely follow. Conversely I don't see setting up a hate site as being courageous

Your scenario is more equivalent to voluntary picking up a nice lady in a bar, (let's call her "Ms. Fart") voluntarily accompanying her back to her house (let's call it "The server") then after a while perhaps doing/saying something she doesn't like, for which she then kicks you out, telling you 'not to come back'. You maybe try to appeal your case the next day, but she's not swayed. Now... Instead of walking away and either reflecting on your actions or just writing her off as being a 'total bitch', your hate website would be the equivalent of erecting signposts outside her house to warn off other potential suitors that she is indeed a bitch while at the same time insisting that she comes out in front of the neighbours (other websites) to justify her throwing you out.

Finally, remember the old adage "there's no such thing as bad publicity"

Guess you might take a while to reply though, I notice your site has mysteriously vanished - those damn interweb hackers can be right bastards

[fido77]

hey skuta! cant wait to see ya on the field! i like how this guy has made your server look even better and our forums more active
quasi, i dont think FaRT needs your mommy or daddy to save them(they are probably the FaRT admins who banned you).
if the FaRT admins were doing such a bad job, why the hell is their damn server always full and i cant join!!!!

[=R6= Raile]

wow nice post monkey!


@quasi.. do you put money in to the FART clan server?
do you have a server of your own?

My guess is, that the answer to both of those is no....................

[=FaRT= skutaboy]

wow nice post monkey!
@quasi.. do you put money in to the FART clan server?
do you have a server of your own?

My guess is, that the answer to both of those is no....................

If I lived over there in the states, I could pick up your donation personally. Maybe someone else could to save you the hassle?

[Lawpf2001]

[MonkeyFiend]

Admittedly not on topic, but I couldn't resist that dig at magik

[Magik6]

LOL amazing

[=FaRT= skutaboy]

Nice photoshop skills there. I like to dabble too...

[quasi_evil]

Monkeyfiend, thanks for the thoughtful reply. I agree with the some of your post, although I disagree in some areas. My ultimate goal is to either bring the Fart server down or receive an apology and an unban. Will I ever play on Fart again, of course not, I would not give them the time of day, but I am obviously doing this on principle. I have been very clear on this point. Like I have said, I went out of my way to understand the rules and modify my play to meet those rules. This is evidenced by the post on the Fart forum that was deleted and the change of play on the server that was complimented by a Fart admin. Skutaboy himself thanked me for coming to the forums and posting. I have a copy of that and when I get around to it I will post it on my fart clan website. I have not had time to post another blog entry there because I have been active on your and other forums. I just do not feel like servers should treat people the way I have been treated and I intend to let everyone know the story. People will and have the right to form their own opinions. Not sure why you say the site is down, I was just on it, 34 visits yesterday. If you want to form the opinion that I am the jerk, that is your prerogative, but if you had gone the path I went and still got banned without a warning or kick, I don't think you would feel that your circumstances would warrant the actions of Fart. I will not send people to their server to form their own opinions, because the people that I know and speak with respect my opinion and treat them as fact. I have earned that from my behavior and interactions with people over the years. I disagree that people need a independent source to form their opinions. People watch Fox, MSNBC and the like every day and forum opinions. The fact that no one from Fart has posted a single fact about this issue speaks volumes. Do they have the right to remain silent, of course they do, but to most people that silence implicates their guilt. You can choose to invoke your 5th amendment rights, but how often do you think the innocent remain silent? You can choose to ignore my side of the story, but then you are left with completely making up your own story as the other side refuses to speak. I disagree that sending money to Nigeria is similar as that is a known scam. I liken what happened not as a date, but more like being banned from a public place without a warning for not following "the rules" when you were following the rules or at least making an effort to do so and no one said anything, just never come back. I disagree with their is no bad publicity. Is it good that Toyota is recalling vehicles, no their sales are down. You don't have to just take my word for it, or my posts, look at the facts that I have presented, screen shots, etc.... The facts are not opinions or slanted. Look at all the work Skuta did to reveal my address, do you think it implicates them in any way that they would put my private information on a public board instead of addressing the facts? Seems like more misdirection. Again you can form your own opinion, but it appears rather sleazy and a scare tactic that has in the past used by mafia lawyers to scare off potential jurors, you know reading their address in to the record during jury selection.

Raile, at one point in time I was not only an admin, but a senior admin at the now (somewhat) defunct full contact war. The same stuff went on there that goes on at the Fart server, a few power hungry admins did whatever they wanted to the users because the server was so popular it would never die. At one point I think the Gametracker rank was 3. Then the users banded together, left and the server went bye-bye. I was the number 2 contributor to the community, only behind Johnny Blaze from SWAT. I contributed $50 per month to the community and before the old site went down I had contributed a total of $650. When the server started there was no donations as a private individual was footing the bill. The site is now changed and the donation log has been reset, so if you want proof, I guess I can post credit card receipts with money moved to Paypal. I am more than happy to provide evidence for my statements. Never would I have even dreamed of treating a user like I have been treated. When people broke the rules on our server we warned them and when the regulars were bending the rules a little, I would get in their squads and talk to them on VOIP to understand their issues. I would not have called myself a regular at Fart, but before the ban I was playing there a couple times a week, and from my forum post I was known to the admins. You can ask BF2 players like WookinPaNub and LpUnit about my admin style. The rule was 2 warns to kick, 2 kicks to ban. Not just straight to ban especially if I knew they were making an effort to comply with the server rules. In the post on the Fart forum many people agreed that the Fart rule had a lot of gray area and to just to what they did, in my opinion and the opinion of many people is wrong. I do own (actually rent) web servers, but no public game server.

Skutaboy, I am in Toronto and Calgary often for business, I would be happy to come by and see you if you live by those cities. Maybe I can meet you at a gym that has a boxing ring or MMA octagon, we can settle this the old fashion way. Feel free to come right down the my house, I am sure you will not leave like you came. In my state you are allowed to use lethal force on trespassers. Once you enter the property from the locked automatic front gate, you would be fair game. My house sits back from the road about 300 feet, so I will have ample opportunity to prevent your forward progress. I had the option of keeping my identity hidden, but I do not hide from anyone. It is funny how you had the time to go out and do a whois search and then a google map and then the post a picture of my property, yet my case at Fart is closed, over and done with, you have moved on. If you took just half that time to actually resolve this issue, it could be over and done. Again, Fart's silence speaks volumes. Like I said on another forum, there are 30+ people that I have talked to via Xfire, VOIP, etc, that won't play on the Fart server anymore. I talk to more every day. They are passing the word around too. I was an admin on FCW for 3 years and have lots of BF2 friends and associates. Over 100 in Xfire alone. I have asked them to spread the word and my message will go viral. I just did a google search and fartclan.info is now #4 when you search for "fart clan". I started out at 22, and has moved 18 places in 2 weeks. I will soon be #1 and people will come to my site when searching for your clan before they hit your own site. My plan is working perfectly!

I look forward to continuing the discussion.....