Ban Appeal and Admin Complaint, DarkenedxGospel Options

[DarkenedxGospel]

so im gonna make this really simple been on your servers for months never had a problem and then i say oh shit no negro when a friend teabags me and im banned for racism? my Team Speak info is 104.207.145.126:9114 password is 9of8 id rather have a 5 minute conversation with someone that isnt Draconix. preferably with someone who actually knows the difference between a racial slur and a different word for black. because this is just 10 new kinds of stupid. can add me on steam too if thats faster DarkenedxGospel ill be on for the next few hours.

[DarkenedxGospel]

are you kidding me? like you actually believe the word Negro is a racial slur IN the context that it was used? that's ridiculous and incredibly idiotic on your part. Negro is not Nigger. which is the "N" Word. Nigger, Melon Monkey, Jiggaboo, Moon Cricket, Porchmonkey. these are all examples of racial slurs. Negro is literally a skin color by definition. because it describes a color of skin does not make it a racist statement. thats like me saying "Oh your white." and you labeling me a a racist when you are in fact white. your rules on the server upon launch say No racist comments what i said was not and cannot be twisted into a racist statement period. "Aww shit no negro" is not in any way shape or form a racist statement directed at an individual with malicious intent. the only way that it could have been is if you had switched Negro with one of the aforementioned examples. so yes he is Totally at fault. you cant just decide because of personal opinion a word is racist when by definition it isnt a racial slur but the word where racial slurs originated from. ON TOP OF THAT your gonna slap me with a ban for saying it when you literally have a kid whose literal in game name is That Nigger Horton come and go on the server as he pleases? You'll allow homopohbia, sexism and non stop obscenities to run rampant on your lobby but someone says "oh shit no Negro." to a friend on a 2 thirds empty lobby is crossing the line? id love for you to explain how that begins to even make the smallest possible amount of sense period. because it does not at all.

Literally the definition in the context as i used it in is the following
adjective
3.
Anthropology. (no longer in technical use) of, relating to, or characteristic of one of the traditional racial divisions of humankind, generally marked by brown to black skin pigmentation, dark eyes, and tightly curled hair and including especially the indigenous peoples of Africa south of the Sahara.

my friend is black. im half black. so explain to me how the fuck can i be racist to half of myself?

on a whole other matter instead of Draconix simply saying something which we'd have happily complied with he bans me and then throws me an attitude while admitting he wasn't sure and had to ask a bunch of people who he clearly failed to describe what was said in the context it was said.

you guys really need to polish up on the difference between a statement of race and racism. As far as demanding anything im demanding nothing im simply stated my desire to speak with someone above Draconix because he was constantly saying things about higher ups making decisions so he's either a New Admin or incredibly low on the totem pole. i offered you my Team Speak Info and my steam info to make contacting me easier and hassle free for you i did not order you to use them i simply find it that verbally talking is generally easier to work out these kinds of issues where someone clearly misunderstood the context of what was being said furthermore I'm causing no "Scandal". When someone attempts to label me as a racist because he has no understanding of the word or conversation hes attempting to pass judgement on of course im not going to be polite because its not my job to educate people on the difference however you want to attempt to spin it Negro is not and never has been a racist word. so please drop the condescending attitudes and poor attempts at spinning some technical bullshit at me about the English language as you said so yourself the "N" word isnt acceptable but Nobody said it. nothing of a racist nature was ever uttered. so no the ban was not justified in the slightest sorry to shatter that concept for you.

[MonkeyFiend]

are you kidding me? like you actually believe the word Negro is a racial slur IN the context that it was used?

If you'd read the rules we generally say that context is irrelevant. This is for the simple prupose of administration, the admins are here to play games not spend their entire time dealing with people hurling out insults. To make this clear: your mitigation is that this was a friend teabagging you; is anyone on the server other than yourself and your friend expected to know this? Admins aren't expected to start trying to ascertain context in any given insult or comments otherwise we'd all spend a hell of a lot more time getting to the bottom of everything. Of which 99% would be lies anyway ( e.g. I can callsomeone a faggot because I'm gay myself etc.)

Tell me, contextually if I as a random member of the public approached you in the street and said 'oh shit no, negro' to you, would you find this acceptable? Doubtful. Since we don't know (or frankly, don't care) whether people are the servers are usuing this language between friends, we have to take it in this way. Aside from that, in public chat it's not a private conversation between you and your friend.

and you labeling me a a racist when you are in fact white.

We didn't label you as anything. The rules say no racist language (for any reason) - note the 'any reason' part includes stupid remakrs made to friends in the server. We're not labelling you as a racist, we're saying that you used racist language. which you did. A person's own ethnicity has no bearing on the rules and I find it pretty pathetic that you try to use that.

you literally have a kid whose literal in game name is That Nigger Horton come and go on the server as he pleases?

Nope, he'll end up being banned. But you also most understand that the admins are not paid to be there 24 hours a day, so sometimes it takes a bit of time to catch up.

my friend is black. im half black. so explain to me how the fuck can i be racist to half of myself?

Again, you or your friends ehtnicity has no bearing. The rules are simple and contextless and we're not expected to start trying to determine a persons enthnicty to judge whether it's a white person being racist or black person being racist. That frankly would be stupid. That's the thing with equality, everyone has to be treated equally so someone using racist language, regardless of their own ethnicity or conext gets treated the same.

on a whole other matter instead of Draconix simply saying something which we'd have happily complied with he bans me and then throws me an attitude while admitting he wasn't sure and had to ask a bunch of people who he clearly failed to describe what was said in the context it was said.

The rules say racist language for any reason = ban. You used racist language, you got banned. There's nothing within the rules that suggests we should give you a warning. As previously mentioned context is irrelevant.

you guys really need to polish up on the difference between a statement of race and racism.

And you could perhaps polish up on the difference between a statement and slang terminology.

Another thing you'll find is the terminology negro? Do you find it offensive? perhaps not, however some people do. We therefore have to use rules that apply to everyone. e.g. http://www.virginia.edu/woodson/courses/aa...mes/bennett.htm

As far as demanding anything im demanding nothing im simply stated my desire to speak with someone above Draconix because he was constantly saying things about higher ups making decisions so he's either a New Admin or incredibly low on the totem pole.

An admin doesn't have to defend their decision over something like steam. We see it a lot where someone gets banned is butthurt then begins a tirade that could last hours over steam trying to wheedle their way out of it. An admin makes a ban, the same admin can lift a ban if they wish. The other option is the clan as a whole can vote on an appeal or it can be referred to an independant 3rd party.

i offered you my Team Speak Info and my steam info

thanks. however all ban appeals are made on the forums

Negro is not and never has been a racist word.

the top links from google:

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=126708
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/am...my-9843757.html
https://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index...01041249AAHB8l9
http://ell.stackexchange.com/questions/692...e-to-it-and-why
http://www.hellonegro.com/2009/07/01/debat...gro-a-bad-word/
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/Negro
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/feb/08/op...plan8-2010feb08
http://www.virginia.edu/woodson/courses/aa...mes/bennett.htm

Understand even if you don't find the terminology offensive, others do.

so please drop the condescending attitudes

Again, while I understand you might feel butthurt about it as far as I can see the ban was made for legitimate reasons


Anyway, I see not reason to overturn this ban.
I see no reason to accept a complaint regarding the behaviour of the admin (since the ban appears to be within the rules)

Thanks.