Chivalry Admin Abuse, Yet another fool abusing admin privileges Options

[Yet Another Fool]

You have trouble counting I see. 2 people complaining out of a 50 players game.
Shouldn't be difficult to count up to 2...

And... You screen is about 100% useless.

[Majorshake]

No there were at least 2 other people calling you out, maybe 3 and that does not include me. And again I only joined in after watching you play for a bit, as I do not just randomly accuse people of hacking unless I see some kind if evidence.

Also yes, this screen cap doesn't show much, but it shows I am telling the truth. If you are so confident then how about you help find the logs, as you have more access than I do, I think that would clear this entire situation up quite nicely.

[Yet Another Fool]

how about you help find the logs, as you have more access than I do, I think that would clear this entire situation up quite nicely.

Oh yes, it will.

However, even if I have said access, would be dumb of me connecting to the server and copying the logs. Why ? Because you would say I corrupted them in my advantage. So I won't even go and read them, so everyone is 100% sure they would be unmodified.

In the screenshot :

Median Tehlo Warrior -> not talking about me
Major Shake -> complaining as always
OGvisualz -> not tallking about me
*Locke -> not talking about me
Knight Sirius who intentionally tk at the moment of that screenshot -> complaining as always
Fool -> Trying to make you understand

So, name the 4 guys on the screenshot that are supporting you ?

I recorded the Stoneshill map where you got banned. Planned to keep that in the members area but someone thought you could open your eyes if faced to it so I took the advice.
See me playing much after you started talking over again ? No ? Because you were harassing me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tv_6rGx-5MU

This prooves :
- you were harassing me
- you were warned multiple times

EDIT:
Also
- you were lying
- I'm not cheating

[Vincent Dank Gog...]

Major, I am sad to say that I find your attitude to this situation absolutely disgusting. You not only show many instances of utterly childish behaviour, but also a constant underlying level of hypocrisy. Let me begin.

If you watch the video fool has posted, skip to his first reply. He said to you very clearly "I won't discuss it" and "got a problem? Go to monkeyfiend" to which your reply was "oh I will". This is the point where you decide to pursue it further, demonstrating your immaturity very well. You go on to say "but you're the first SM admin I've had a problem with", which is clearly provoking a response from Fool. When Fool decides, as he previously stated, not to reply, then you take it upon yourself to start asking questions, attempting to provoke Fool further into saying something out of hand which you would use as evidence in your case against him. Your approach to the situation is a "witch hunt", while not only provoking Fool repeatedly you also harass and pursue the issue to a degree where any sane individual would have no choice but to kick you.

Your accusation of harassment is not only incorrect but also hypocritical; declaring in chat that fool's actions were "textbook admin abuse" and proceeding to provoke him even further by saying "go ahead and kick me I know you want to". What clearer evidence of harassment and provocation do you need? Fool, I know you will be sorry to hear, did not harass you at all, instead he dealt with the situation properly, showing levels of maturity which you could only aspire to achieve. He stated multiple times that he was not going to discuss it with you, is that harassment? You provoked him into harassing you, when he didn't take the bait you started trying even harder despite his warnings.

If I can commend you on anything, it would be your effort put into trying to get Fool stripped of his admin powers. Constant harassment and provocation to such a degree I have not seen before. I am absolutely disgusted (yet unsurprised) that you would even consider making a post on these forums to berate and harass Fool, things which you yourself accused him of doing.

Even now on the forums you try to make Fool look like he has done something wrong, by saying he is "attacking your character". Frankly I think what he said was a compliment, in fact calling you retarded and blind would be offensive to those with downsyndrome.

Major Shake I do wish you the best of luck in your quest to get Fool banned, but unfortunately I think you will beat him to it.

Yours Sincerely, Vincent

[Majorshake]

Well thank you for posting this video. if you had posted this earlier it would have cleared a lot of this up. When i joined back in i was still trying to get a reason for getting kicked/muted the first time.

I would like to note though you leave out the people accusing you of hacks on the previous map as well as the part were you kick me when i ask why you muted me. I would imagine if you recorded stoneshill then you also recorded the previous map which is were it all started.
But when you start the video here, it is out of context, as i have already been muted and kicked, and what i am saying here is related to what happened previously, as opposed to me just randomly calling you out. So if you can please post the rest of the video from the previous map, if you have it, as it gives much needed context, that would be great.

and yes Knight Sirus was one of the players from the previous round who witnessed the previous conversation, you can see him saying "sorry" at the beginning of you'r video from the previous map. he is also a higher level player. Also there were 2 Knights, there were Knight Kabibles, who is the tker you are talking about, (accident) and there was Sirus, who is the one i am talking about. In the video you ban Sirus for calling you a bad admin (16:08) after you obnoxiously ignore Guts polite request for a PM. I can only assume the other players accusing you of hacking either left or were also kicked, as they are not on this map. I don't know as you leave out the previous part of your video, which is obviously cut out. If you are going to post this, please post the whole video, i bet it shows you kicking more people on trumped up charges or for no reason at all.

And Vincent i just want to clarify, if i haven't already, i am not trying to get fool banned by any means. I know he is a well respected member among people in SM. And he seems like a good player, i have said this entire time that my hackusations could have been wrong and that THIS IS NOT MY POINT. My point is he did not deal with it in the right way. I am saying is that he shouldn't have admin powers if he bans people for trying to talk to him and ask questions or accuse him of something he didn't do. Telling someone to shut the fuck up for asking for a reason for a kick or mute, and then calling them an idiot after they were banned is clearly a form of harassment and or being rude. Further threatening the rest of the server with a "whos next" also doesn't look too good. There is a reasonable way to defuse this situation, that does not include banning someone and calling them names, and or threatening an entire server with a ban for calling you out for abuse.

Also i don't see how you are disgusted with what i have said. I have been respectful on these forums, and i have told the truth, fool has been completely disrespectful and rude in this post as well as during the matches i played with him. I understand he is you'r friend but you are clearly ignoring his blatant harassment.

I don't have a quest to get fool banned, call it a quest to do my part to make sure there isn't admin abuse on a well respected server. I assure you this is more a plea to make sure other people don't get wrongly banned/kick by fool, as i usually play on FOR. which i would just like to point out has policy of not kicking anyone for any kind of conversation (and it works like gangbusters)

It would seem that all SM members are granted admin privileges and as we all know not everyone is cut out to be an admin. I would probably do the same shit fool does and ban people i don't like, thing is, i am well aware i would be a shit admin, fool seems to be oblivious to the fact that stooping to such a low level as an SM admin makes SM look very bad, and maybe just maybe, hes not the right kind of person for the responsibility of admin.

I don't know how many more ways i can get accross my point. I think i have said it all.

Fool if you can, please post the rest of that video to be fair, that would be sweet, i doubt you will as that would just give even more evidence to my case. This is all i have to say, been as respectful and truthful as i can. If this is not evidence enough that someone should not be an admin, i really don't know what is.

[Yet Another Fool]

I would imagine if you recorded stoneshill then you also recorded the previous map which is were it all started.
But when you start the video here, it is out of context, as i have already been muted and kicked, and what i am saying here is related to what happened previously, as opposed to me just randomly calling you out. So if you can please post the rest of the video from the previous map, if you have it, as it gives much needed context, that would be great.

I don't know as you leave out the previous part of your video, which is obviously cut out.

Wrong. Notice the freeze in the beginning of the video ? It's because my storage hard disk was in idle state and had to start up when I fressed the shadowplay hotkey.
Why I recorded Stoneshill ? Well, I got in my mind I could give you the video to proove you I wasn't cheating. But I guess I was too kind with you. If someone doesn't deserve something here, it's you not deserving being accepted on this server where admins put a lot of efforts keeping it clean for everyone. But sadly for you, this time you were the stain.

and yes Knight Sirus was one of the players from the previous round who witnessed the previous conversation, you can see him saying "sorry" at the beginning of you'r video from the previous map. he is also a higher level player. Also there were 2 Knights, there were Knight Kabibles, who is the tker you are talking about, (accident) and there was Sirus, who is the one i am talking about. In the video you ban Sirus for calling you a bad admin (16:08)

Sirius was banned for 2 reasons : revenge TK and constant critisism towards admin (just like you).
"he is also a higher level player" -> Context ? Still thinking I'm cheating ? You desperate.

you obnoxiously ignore Guts polite request for a PM.

I refused to add him on Steam, not to answer his questions. It's a FRIENDs list, isn't it ?
Also, I'm allowed and encouraged to play and enjoy it. Not connecting to go spectate all day long and having a ban quota reached per day and answer every question.
Not a single admin will tell you that they are obligated to help everyone the way they want. If we want to play we won't play the policeman.

I can only assume the other players accusing you of hacking either left or were also kicked, as they are not on this map. If you are going to post this, please post the whole video, i bet it shows you kicking more people on trumped up charges or for no reason at all.

Or they can have a life and have left the server. In the previous map, I muted and kicked you when you rejoined to bypass the mute. Nobody else got a kick/ban.
No reason at all ?
- Knight Sirius -> intentional TK and constant criticism
- Major Shake -> constant criticism
- NariiHD -> intentional TK
- Igorek Shilov -> repeatedly kicking me (should have been a ban but I was again trying to be too nice to rulebreakers)

And Vincent i just want to clarify, if i haven't already, i am not trying to get fool banned by any means.

Just let me quote your earlier posts (you are lying all the time, it's aweful and annoying) :

"If you have complaints please approach these in a constructive manner (preferably a post on this website so all admins can see them) - typical childish insults on the server will result in warnings/kicks/bans. IF you have issues with an admin abusing their powers, please make a post or PM me with time/dates and evidence. We can't just take the word of a stranger on the internet"

By this rule you should be banned from the server

There is a reasonable way to defuse this situation

Like... Posting walls of lies text on our forums to put the shame on me, get me banned or punished, because you were MUTED ? That doesn't seem that reasonable.

I understand he is you'r friend but you are clearly ignoring his blatant harassment.

No, they just think you are being an asshat that is making me loose my patience, and trust me I'm a patient type of guy.

Fool if you can, please post the rest of that video to be fair, that would be sweet, i doubt you will as that would just give even more evidence to my case.

Is that a joke ? Do you really think that the Stoneshill video is in your favor ?

[Stupid Fat Hobbi...]

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[Bucket]

[MonkeyFiend]

So to paraphrase some of the goings-on.. you joined the SM server and decided to accuse an admin of hacking - I'm curious on how you expected that one to turn out?

It's not like you'd be able to votekick him and I suspect unless you have jedi-like powers of persuasion no one it going to say "you're right, I am hacking" (except maybe tongue in cheek).

If you were serious about him hacking then gathering any evidence and either post it to the SM forums, to the devs (contact@tornbanner.com) or to a global admin (such as me) as hacking can get people globally banned, fool however has long since been checked out.

Regarding being called a noob: level does not infer some sort of wisdom. It just shows somone has spent a lot of time in game. Publically accusing an admin in their own server chat - I can either assume this was intended trolling or simply very poor error of judgement.

Anyway regardless, the admins are players just like you or me. While we as a clan expect levels of pofessionalism, we are all just human and respond to things as such. We're there to play a game, not try and defend against pointless allegations. The response is within the remit of the admins, while they are of course free to 'laugh it off' as you say, likewise it's within their powers to prevent such harassment. Harassment is what it is - just because you make a public accusation does not mean that that person has to reply or defend themself to a guest on the server, nor to they have to just allow implied guilt through lack of response. The logs show there were warnings, you were then muted. The only thing we ask our members is if they do take action against a player, it be justified and there is evidence that can be provided to the rest of the clan be it logs or screenshots. There is no onus to provide this to random members of the public since it contains potentially sensitive information (such as IPs)

You mentioned after realising you rejoined the game? So let me understand this... you realised you were muted. This could only be done by an admin, so you thought the best course of action would be to evade that administrative action by intentionally rejoining the game and continuing in the previous actions that got you muted in the first place? :s

There are plenty of trolls types looking to get a rise out of players. Accusing someone of hacking, then pestering them throughout the game until they lose their temper is quite a common one. Often this is people looking to get into an argument and keep picking at or more often keep trying to make another party justify their position ad nauseum - usually with the guise of 'trying to have a conversation'

There was talk of 'threats' which were repeated warnings to stop, which were ignored. This reminds me of an incident with neojorge/captainisrael - I saw both TKing each other and, since not knowing who started it, decided to temp ban both of them for 7 days. Neojorge accepted this and was later unbanned. Captain israel sought to 'argue his point' even though he had little point to make, I eventually warned him that if he didn't stop the temp ban would be changed to a perma ban. He continued and therefore is banned to this day.

The point I'm making here is the admins are under no obligation to justify their bans to the public players - especially to people that they've just banned. If there's suspicion of an admin abusing their powers it can be brought either to me privately or to the clan as a whole.

Instead making accusations in a public space and hassling someone serves no possible benefit other than to possibly stir up some sort of drama.

Personally if it were me you accused of cheating I'd probably just ignore it. If you continued with such accusations I'd almost certainly mute or kick you too.

Your analogy of beer pong is flawed to an extent as it'd be a minor aspect of said houseparty (more like feinting in a server, a lot of people don't like it but generally it wouldn't get you thrown out).

A more appropriate one would be inviting strangers to my house to party and one turns up and accuses me of something that would be viewed as serious within the realm of that party.. let's say.. cheating on my wife with another guest. How do I respond - Ignore it? Said obnoxious guest keeps repeating the accusation trying to get me to defend myself in front of the other guests?

Now in real life if someone made such an accusation, I'd be pretty annoyed. If I had a real life mute button, I'd probably use it Failing that I would probably throw them out on their ass. This is more like your situation.

You joined a busy server and publically accused an admin of that server of committing an act that would be considered very serious within the realms of the game, with the consquences of it were true would see him being banned. You continued to pester said admin, evaded a muting in order to continue pestering that admin to justify his actions, then after other warnings seem surprised when he actually throws you out. You then rejoin and continue the very same actions that got you muted and then kicked?? You then make a post regarding admin abuse, which again if found guilty of would see him banned from the servers.

Based on what I've seen from the server logs etc., IMO Yet Another Fool has no case to answer. I will however leave it in his hands whether or not to add you to the permanent ban list for the SM servers. (@fool: send me a PM if you want him added)

Closing thread.